Tuesday, June 14, 2005

Yeah, I like transsexuals, what are you gonna do about it

Here's a quiz: Take a look at the women at this table. Which one of them is a transsexual?


mia's  friewnds

It's a trick question. The answer is all of them.


In my last post I mentioned that I belong to a transsexual-themed Yahoo group. That's not entirely accurate. I belong to several of them, a couple of TS pay sites (Bob's T-Girls and Brazilian Transsexuals) and have an assload of TS DVDs and videotapes.


Anyhow, I haven't really talked too much about this here, except to post an entry congratulating Vicki Richter on her win for "Transsexual Performer of the Year" at this year's AVN awards. So I decided to get into it a little bit, why I'm attracted to TS, how does that all play out. I'll also pepper this with some photos, just for fun (and just because I finally got a Flickr account, so I actually can now).


victoria130

Actually," why" is a difficult question. I really can't answer "why" on any technical term, just as I can't explain my attraction to women or my sexual desire to sleep with men. I mean, with women there's the biological imperative to reproduce and while that explains it from an evolutionary standpoint, it does nothing to explain why it applies to me, but at least everyone understands it.


But obviously it's a little different with transsexuals. The explanations I've heard of this phenomenon have been far too simplistic and often simply wrong. The most common explanation is that men attracted to transsexuals are secretly gay, but in denial. This has some prima facie sense to it, but it's completely inaccurate. The problem here is that if you're truly gay, a person that is, in appearance, attitude and psychology, 90% or more woman is simply not a reasonable substitute for a man. Gender is defined by far more than just the genitals, and even though that's primarily how society, when pressed, has differentiated gender in the past. But gender shows elsewhere too, in the rest of the body, in the face, in the hands, and then in much deeper ways that are harder to define without generalizing past the point of absurdity. I always hate ascribing personality traits to men and women based solely on gender, because you invariably run into contradictions that undermine individuality. However, whether from societal gender-typing or from some unknown brain-biology, fine points of personality and attitude do differ in subtle to broad ways between men and women.


agatha161

However, as a bi-sexual, I would seem to be living evidence that at least some homosexual inclinations are necessary for an attraction to transsexuals, right? Don't I undermine my own argument? Do people into transsexuals have to be bisexual? Well no, not in my experience. From talking with other guys (and women) that are into T-Girls, the bulk of them are straight. Well, straighter than me. Straight but with a kink.


Another explanation is that T-girls represent the "best of both worlds". Obviously this is an intentionally simplistic short-hand, but I still disagree with it. And the reason is that, well, I dig the va-jay-jay too. I'd be hard pressed to say that the absence of coochie represents an improvement. In other words, I meet an interesting, attractive, funny and smart girl, I don't find myself thinking "if only she had a cock."


No, instead I think to myself "This chick is out of my league. I hope she likes guys that can solve a Rubik's Cube."


ana_julia1036

So what is behind the attraction? Well, I can't speak for anyone else. Actually, technically I have been for this entire post, but I'm gonna stop now. Anyhow, here it is. I'm attracted to transsexuals as a third gender. Women, but not exactly women. The first time I saw one, she just looked right. Not "natural" in terms of what I was expecting, but like she was what I didn't know I had been looking for. Not as a replacement for women (or men), but as another gender, and a beautiful one at that.


Plus I'm always attracted to people who become what they want to be, despite not being born into or living within circumstances that makes that practical. And the physical gender you're born into is almost universally considered a given, it's hard to imagine a tougher circumstance to overcome. I mean, can you imagine looking at your body and accepting that it was entirely wrong? That the very flesh you were born into was a mistake?


Ah, but here's where I gotta break out some honesty. Here's the part where my sensitivity and my sexuality collide. I'm attracted to transsexuals, but specifically "pre-op" transsexuals. In other words, prior to their sexual reassignment surgery. I like the meat between the legs. I said earlier that gender wasn't defined by a single body part, but the truth is, without a penis, a transsexual doesn't excite me. Now, the same is true for breasts or other feminine features, but there is a certain visual element. I don't feel too bad about this, because men are supposed to look one way, women another, and transsexuals a third. Technically, I suppose, this makes me tri-sexual, but I don't see any reason to make up new words here.


NYC2

And there's the problem. As much as I'd like to believe that I could have a normal romantic relationship with a transsexual, I often wonder if I could. So far, my experience with t-girls has been largely an objectified one. Luckily, a lot of the transsexual pornstars, most notably Vicki Richter, but also Danielle Foxx and Vaniity, have things like Yahoo groups and the like that allows them to keep in touch with their fans. You couldn't really say that you're friends with any of these women just because you've posted to their group or anything, but often the messages they write are pretty personal, so you can appreciate their personality (Vicki, in particular, has loads of personality, which is why she's so cool).

37 Comments:

Blogger Living Bi said...

P.S. I totally apologize for the fucked-up way the top two photos appear. If I'm gonna be doing much of this photo stuff, I'll have to either modify this layout (which I have a little bit) or get (or write) a new one.

Actually, I've been meaning to write a new template, since web stuff is, like, my job and it's a point of honor to code this stuff by hand for me, but the Blogger provided templates are just so good-looking.

Also, if there doesn't appear to be anything wrong with the top two photos and their layout, then disregard this, I've probably already made a change.

12:14 AM  
Blogger aughra said...

Without getting into the deeper issues of gender and identity, I can agree with the 'best of both worlds' point. Hmm, the thoughts, feelings, soft breasts and narrow waist of a women, with a cock. For bi-curious girls with unsure feelings about performing full on cunnilingus, a pre-op T-gril sounds like a good time.

7:07 AM  
Blogger aughra said...

man, reading that again, I realize my spelling is atrocious.

5:32 PM  
Blogger Living Bi said...

What are you talking about? Except for implying you want to have sex with a barbecue, the spelling is great. You got "cunnilingus" right, that's a two-dollar word if there ever were one.

6:51 PM  
Blogger aughra said...

Well, jeez, who doesn't want to have sex with a barbecue?

7:35 AM  
Anonymous Lumpesse said...

I have to admit that I have never given much thought to transsexuals. I really appreciated the opportunity to read your thoughts on the attraction to them. It makes a lot of sense to me (the third gender perspective.) Thanks.

4:44 PM  
Blogger Ari said...

It is a puzzle.

I think I agree with Boy George, who I once heard make the point that we're all under the impression that sexuality falls into 3 strict categories (straight, gay or bi), when in reality, there is a whole spectrum of sexuality, and most of us probably have more attractions than we admit/realize.

You're kind of going along with that line of thinking here.

9:45 PM  
Blogger Pantiespantiespanties said...

I quite agree! This is very much how I feel about transsexuals, but I'm pretty sure I could have the relationship. Some transvestites seem a little *beyond* my target of femininity for a partner, and I admit that I need the boobs.

9:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just wanted to add that I found this link today.. kind of fits in a bit.. By the way, nice photos..

http://www2.b3ta.com/femaleorshemale

8:03 AM  
Blogger Benjie said...

I say quit feeling like you have to rationalize this kink and go for it. Why do people always feel that they have to explain these things away. If I felt that way then I would never have found the satisfaction I have felt in many different kinds of relations I have had.

8:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I like the "rationalization", because there is so little good writing on this. A very helpful and interesting post!

4:39 PM  
Blogger Julie said...

Excellent post. I've been more and more fascinated by TS stuff lately. I had my male spanking playmate wear a pair of women's panties, I loved it, and now I just want more more more of that yummy gender bending. But is there a protocol here? Is a mostly-straight woman allowed to dig a TS woman? I'm not worried that it's weird, just exploitive.

6:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi
Sadly, none nof the pix made it across the Atlantic this morning.

I'd like to see your TS's

Josh

1:10 AM  
Blogger Living Bi said...

Yeah, sorry about that, they're absolutely beautiful. It turns out I'm suddenly exceeding my 100MB daily download limit from the company that's hosting these images.

Julie: There are plenty of women that groove on TS gals. There's more men, but plenty of women too. I totally get your fear about it seeming exploitative, that's always a fear of mine too. But really, you're not doing anyone any favors by denying the attraction I figure.

1:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it comes down to 2 things....
1) They usually have awesome breasts.... very pert
2) There's something very interesting about the face... hot, horny and NOT bimbo-like

and oh yeah... I'd like to suck their cocks too

2:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Funny that someone should mention Boy George. There was a picture of him in Time or something when I was a teenager that totally did it for me. (That was the age when a lot of your masturbating had to be done to mainstream magazine photos of Farrah or Susan Anton or whoever.) I've never gotten off on really guy-looking guys, but a skinny young guy with some soft girly bits... I'd be on that so fast. I interpret that as meaning that my primary sensual attractions are to female characteristics, but a nice cock-- and the transgressiveness of doing a guy-- have an electric frisson, too. Which I guess is another way of saying that second picture is totally hot and I'd worship those tits and dick if they were laying there for me.

9:14 PM  
Anonymous Thomas said...

I've thought about this before as well. Here's an interesting thing - I'm only attracted to "womanly" transsexuals, ones that could fool you with pants on. I think the percentage of the ones I've seen online is only about 5%. Possibly less. However, I love the idea of the meat. For me, I think everyone is bisexual to a certain extent. Our sexual nature is driven by a desire to procreate on a base level, but sexuality is so much more than that. Most homosexuals can be turned on by a member of the opposite sex, and many heterosexuals can by turned on by a member of the same sex. Personally, I can't stand the way men look. However, I love to watch hetero "oral" porn, especially with a lot of guys. I like the way men's cocks look. Cocks are attractive to men, and (sadly) men only. All said, I'd prefer to be with a couple - one male, one female, and experience both. But I guess that's another story.

Sorry for hijacking your blog.

6:22 PM  
Anonymous Roni said...

Hi to all who are actively posting here and especially to Living Bi. I myself am a pre-op TS in my third year of HRT (hormone replacement therapy for the uneducated). I was sent the link to your blog by a good friend. I like the very positive spin you put on your view of TS people. I love that the posts I have read so far are positive. In a world that is so cynical and hateful at times it is nice to know that there are people out there who aren't, at least in regards to trannys. Please keep in mind that not all trannys are sex goddesses or porn queens. Many are just as conservative as any other prude. I am definitely not conservative or prudish, but I am also not a sex goddess. I am just an average ordinary person who is dealing with life as constructively as possible and working on my own transition. Peace!! and hugs!!

9:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wouldn't be so quick to toss out the theory/hypothesis that this attraction is nothing but a quarky mix of biological attraction, societal definitions for gender and appropriate actions thereof, and just your own personal take on sexuality.

A "too simple to be true" hypothesis that I do lend some creedence to is that women normally aren't aggressive in a certain "manly" way. These men have an excellent male view point both biologically and up till they start making the societal transition from male to female. They can better relate to you and may have personality traits, statistically speaking, that you identify with as attractive in a mate/sexual object.

Toss in any type of specific triggers for your interactions with women that would further isolate yourself from thinking you can get those positive male traits all wrapped up in one neat little female(from birth) origin.. and you've got a decent theory on the inner workings of modern bisexual living.

It isn't as simple as I'm making out in these brief paragraphs. Nor is it the most complex thing in the universe that we have only scratched the surface of. We have plenty of basic and intermediate information on sexuality and mating rituals. Modern science tells us it is alittle bit of a lot of these factors, which ones are more predominate only you can learn by experiencing these feelings and thoughts in depth.

10:58 PM  
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6:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a girl (ok, woman, *sigh*) but I don't consider myself bi, and I've only had sex with men. and I love other girls' boobies but I also love cock. I could go for a t-girl if she was a nice girl first, and coincidentally had a dick, that would be a bonus. but doesn't that go that way for everyone, don't you have to LIKE the person first, no matter what kind of equipment they've got in their undies?

7:38 PM  
Blogger Captain America said...

I think my attraction to tgirls and ladyboys stems largely from the fact that they try SO HARD to be women. They do it better than most women, but they work at it. So many gender girls have given up on the things that are time tested and proven to attract us as men... eg hair, make up, perky breasts,flat tummies, painted nails, lipstick, sexy clothes. Tgirls have flash and "curb appeal". As a man I work hard to maintain my looks and appeal. I run, lift,eat right, don't get sloppy drunk etc. It's nice to see another sexual creature that understands "her" responsibility to look appealing to others.

8:03 PM  
Blogger Living Bi said...

Wow, so many comments! Hey, Alex, I think I've seen (and enjoyed) your contributions to a lot of the Yahoo groups. Keep it up, you're doing God's work, man! Everyone else, thanks for the comments!

9:17 PM  
Blogger Hugh Jarrod said...

I would agree with some of the statements listed above that sexuallity isn't really that difineable as I have been with many of these gurls. Two at the top of the page Michelle and Mia, as well as Vaniity mentioned later. I do not consider myself to be gay, bi, or straight more unpigeonholeable. At first it was simply a curioisity as I had seen a picture of the gorgeous Vaniity and knew that I had to be with her, when I discovered dhe lived just down the freeway from me I was excited as hell yet a little nervous in meeting her, she was my first, she even topped me and it's been almost nothing but Tgurls for me since. I have even dated two and am currently getting close to another. Trust me there is just something about them that drives me crazy.

4:37 PM  
Blogger Living Bi said...

Hugh! You've been with Mia? Not to kiss and tell, how was she? I'm also curious about Michelle, but I've got a big-time crush on Mia.

3:58 AM  
Blogger Sheen V said...

I enjoyed reading your comments on TS's. I've had some interest in looking at them as well, and I am also not sure what the specific attraction is. One aspect is like looking at a car wreck - you know you shouldn't, but you want to see the gory details. "The best of both worlds" also accounts for some - she looks like a girl, gives head like a girl, has tits like a girl, but in some cases can fuck a girl better than a real girl with a strap-on. And being a crossdresser, I also like to see that they can dress well too.

11:44 AM  
Blogger Hugh Jarrod said...

Mia is incredible, the first time I was with her was when she lived in Alameda Ca. and since she has moved to San Jose. She has a very thick eight inches and just loves to have it sucked on, as well loves to have her salad tossed. She readily tops and bottoms and is just one of the sweetest gurls you'll ever meet.

3:04 PM  
Blogger Hugh Jarrod said...

If you are interested in Tgirls try this website www.shemalereview.net

3:05 PM  
Blogger Hugh Jarrod said...

OK I spent three hours with Salmah today. She is incredible and a real sweetheart. Now as far as the picture above goes I've been with Mia, Michell, and Salmah. Mia and Salmah use to be lovers and although they still live together they are just friends now. Have yet to be with Gia but all in good time, Angie lives with Michell. Go to the website I listed above as I have a thread titled "Cool Blog" that links to this blog.

9:27 PM  
Blogger Foxglove said...

I hate it when XY chromosomed individuals look much more like gorgeous chicks than I could ever hope to. Grr.

1:22 AM  
Blogger Foxglove said...

Oh and I think most people are attracted to "people" rather than men or women, they're just programmed to think it's gotta be one or the other. The bisexuals just have it figured out better. And the trannies? What could be wrong with that. Except for the aforementioned raging jealousy I feel. Repeat Grr. For instance- I love my husband and I've never dated/hooked up with a girl. But if I'd met Aughra first- I wouldn't have let her out of my sight. I love that girl-

1:26 AM  
Blogger Living Bi said...

Foxglove- I agree on all points. Except, of course, for the raging jealousy (Grr). Though I do feel the slightest twinge when I see femle-to-male transsexuals with a full(-ish) beard when I can only grow a goatee.

Not that I have a goatee. Nor would I want a beard. But, you know, I'd like the option. But I save a bundle on razor blades.

3:31 AM  
Blogger Rex said...

Hey I love your blog, I feel very simlar about Transsexuals as you do. You have inspired me to start a blog. http://sunfun757.blogspot.com/
Not much there but I'll add more soon. Keep Up the good work.

9:12 AM  
Anonymous Maxim said...

What an interesting series of posts. It's made me think a lot about a series of encounters I was lucky enough to have a couple of years back while I was living in London, with a gorgeous t-girl who could go anywhere without having her gender called into question. And to answer one of the implied questions above, about what the attraction is - duh, it's the sex, y'know? I am hard put to recall better first-time-out-the-gate sex than I had with her - and the fact that (once I had done my bit) she was happy to turn me round and do it to me, and had a nice little item that wouldn't scare a dabbling-in-ass-sex bi like myself, made it a lot more interesting! Thanks for bringing back memories (god, I sound a thousand years old...)

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Anonymous Marina said...

Any man who likes trans-gendered men are GAY... Not bi but full out gay... That is nasty and dangerous. And we are wondering why black women and men are popping up with HIV more than any other race.. It is because we have Brothers on the Down low... and they need to just keep fucking fecal filled assholes...and leave real women alone.... you are all going to hell...!!!!

12:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Check out transgenderd psycology sites and you will see that it is more of a psycologick thing and that you can be hetrosexual and still like them......oh ya that marina is sooooooooooooo fuckin ignorent...she dont know shit

1:44 AM  

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